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the general feel or something

3:11 AM

positive vibes would be a general positivity Something giving you vibes of a certain tv show is reminding you of that tv show, even if there isn’t a specific connection you can make It’s like, a kind of thought

'vibe' kinda turned into a meme word but its a legit thing thats really useful for tulpamancy

and it is late and I should sleep and if you have any more questions about what I said, ping @Oragamal and I will get back to you in the morning. Goodnight!

3:15 AM

go ahead and keep talking to others for their stuff

i can try to answer questions however I do not have a spiritual viewpoint when it comes to tulpamancy

3:15 AM

Nor does the majority of this server

3:16 AM

But I am sure there are communities that you can join if you want to lean into a more spiritual view of tulpamancy

Hi! Zee and I have learned how to soft switch last night. We were looking at guides on advice to make each session last longer but all of the guides dealt with "hard switching"

3:19 PM

otherwise known as dissociative switching

what do you do to switch?

The first time we switched was last night. We were meditating when I asked him to switch. Then after about 3 mintes we just did

3:23 PM

After that it has gotten easier to switch but not keep up

Discard the idea of "soft" and "hard" switching. You can stay switched in longer by reminding yourself you're in control, thinking about things unique to yourself, doing things you specifically want to do. You can take a break (switch out) and try again another time if you get tired

Why do we need to discard the idea?

They aren't good ideas, and they just hold people back

i think the idea of soft and hard switching can work for some ppl

Lucilyn: never really heard of "soft switching", unnecessary term (edited)

People cling to the idea that they can somehow remove the brain's consciousness from itself, thinking that will remove the host from front, and they call that hard switching. This can also include host switching into wonderland in an immersive separate stream of consciousness way.

4:05 PM

In our experience and by many many accounts in the community, you can switch and feel like the host is still present, or switch and feel the host is not active/present. But switching is just about switching places... so if the host is active or not doesn't change the "type" of switch I feel I'm not wording this in the best way but

4:06 PM

Basically I've been seeing for years people trying and failing miserably to "hard" switch, and imo it's not a thing that can be done, or can't reasonably be done

Lucilyn: oh is that what it's supposed to mean? (edited)

4:06 PM

parallel processing switching

4:06 PM

sorry, that isn't real

4:07 PM

if a human can somehow create dual streams of consciousness to fully and immersively experience two different entire lives' worth of senses and thought at once, they can also do that to do math or other processing tasks twice as efficiently or so on

4:08 PM

if that's a real thing it's sure as heck not tulpamancers who were going to discover it

4:08 PM

"consciousness" belongs to the brain, and your sense of self/identity just plugs into it like the driver to a car

4:09 PM

switching changes who's in the driver's seat/whose identity and sense of self is plugged into the brain's consciousness

4:10 PM

that's the bones of it, the details around it are all very subjective though and you probably literally create them for yourself by what you believe

I think the origin of the hard vs soft switching is Verple's guide, where he described soft switching as switching by changing primary thinker. And hard switching is done by doing full body possession until a full switch occurs. But, people interpreted hard switching as more extreme, more separate, more different stream of consciousness. And I could never get a clear idea of what Verple meant. Regardless of what he meant, I see people talk about hard switching most often like it's a separate stream of consciousness thing

Lucilyn: That sounds like a very misleading guide (edited)

People just keep thinking switching by changing primary thinkers/soft switching, is some "inferior" version of switching and hope to achieve the "better" kind

Lucilyn: everyone we know who believed in "switching into the wonderland" (in the "take your awareness with you and it's like a lucid dream" sense, vs just switching in the wonderland as a visualization aid) has ended up very disappointed (edited)

Yeah. There's a handful of systems that say they can (including Vos iirc) but, they are such outliers I really can't give advice based on it. Can't confirm what they're doing

4:23 PM

If I had a nickel for every time someone describe standard switching as if it were separate stream of consciousness black out or wonderland switching I would have a lot of nickels

4:26 PM

@Pleeb what were you going to say, don't run away!

i never really thought abt the way we "switched". i (the host) am always aware and able to influence also i realized i misunderstood ur earlier message lol i thought u meant to ignore the existence of soft switching and only ever consider it switching when you have a disassociate switch

Basically I've been seeing for years people trying and failing miserably to "hard" switch, and imo it's not a thing that can be done, or can't reasonably be done

@Yuka - jump well i think what people understand by hard switch is what i experience most of the time and i don't think people would gain from it as much as they expect

4:38 PM

but i've been working towards being one person so i probably have different perspective

I'm not sure what you experience

Yuka

@Pleeb what were you going to say, don't run away!

Got distracted! I was going to mention how I think switching stuff has similar mechanics that are going on when imposition happens.

i used to experience other headmates not being around to the point of not being able to communicate with them or accessing their memories and having problems switching back

Hm, but its still one stream of consciousness, right?

yes and when it's softer it's like two (but parallel)

4:43 PM

I think the origin of the hard vs soft switching is Verple's guide, where he described soft switching as switching by changing primary thinker. And hard switching is done by doing full body possession until a full switch occurs. But, people interpreted hard switching as more extreme, more separate, more different stream of consciousness. And I could never get a clear idea of what Verple meant. Regardless of what he meant, I see people talk about hard switching most often like it's a separate stream of consciousness thing

@Yuka - jump oh i just read this

I think what most people are looking for with dissociative switching, is the subjective experience you would have while falling asleep, say. Where you stop feeling your body, can't see anything anymore and then lose awareness completely (or enter dream world of wonderland). At the very least they want to feel like, hazy and distant and watching the body do stuff while you can't feel it yourself. And your fronting headmate is fully experiencing life, somehow, while you're completely dazed (source, years of reading stuff on many servers and forums, and also myself) (edited)

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yes well it used to be like that for me plus with memory separation

So Leiko's system parallel processes sometimes and used to more often? Parallel stream of consciousnesses?

I remember reading Verple's guide, it's fine for what it is. The concept of "hard" and "soft" switching didn't originate from his guide, but I think the terminology he used became popular and got spread around by others. Verple's guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eOKCXF6f8bMqyyXYPuWrejEB4v7UjVBs4kc9HZ0p40E/edit As for different "types" of switching- I do believe there is truth in the concept of different switching experiences. Based on what people report, switching experiences can vary quite a bit. While I do know some people have a harder time getting certain experiences than others, I don't know if wonderland or even our experience of "sensory switching" is harder in general. I disagree that any given experience is "inferior" for whatever reason, there are only desirable and undesirable experiences. As for wonderland switching- I don't know if it's real in the sense parallel processing is real, but there are enough reports, independent reports not related to tulpamancy, and enough consistency between reports I do think something interesting is going on. Is it truly parallel? I have no clue. Is it a distinct experience from our switching experience? Yes, definitely. I suspect that it's caused by dissociation and those who have wonderland switching have a specific dissociative experience. (edited)

The only time my host became dissociative was when he was sleeping in my wonderland

A long kiss goodnight

I remember reading Verple's guide, it's fine for what it is. The concept of "hard" and "soft" switching didn't originate from his guide, but I think the terminology he used became popular and got spread around by others. Verple's guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eOKCXF6f8bMqyyXYPuWrejEB4v7UjVBs4kc9HZ0p40E/edit As for different "types" of switching- I do believe there is truth in the concept of different switching experiences. Based on what people report, switching experiences can vary quite a bit. While I do know some people have a harder time getting certain experiences than others, I don't know if wonderland or even our experience of "sensory switching" is harder in general. I disagree that any given experience is "inferior" for whatever reason, there are only desirable and undesirable experiences. As for wonderland switching- I don't know if it's real in the sense parallel processing is real, but there are enough reports, independent reports not related to tulpamancy, and enough consistency between reports I do think something interesting is going on. Is it truly parallel? I have no clue. Is it a distinct experience from our switching experience? Yes, definitely. I suspect that it's caused by dissociation and those who have wonderland switching have a specific dissociative experience. (edited)

If you don't mind me asking, what does it feel like for you to switch

Our experience of sensory switching doesn't literally feel like anything because according to our senses, nothing changed. We don't have anything weird happen to our vision or have a weird sensory experience occur. The "feeling" we do get is the thought something changed. One time we switched with our eyes open and had a more extreme experience, and our brain was like "hey something is different!" as if we woke up from a dream (without the grogginess) but that was it. Most of the time we don't notice any changes at all. When we were learning how to switch, we looked for symptoms of being switched-in. If I'm switched-in, I don't randomly lose control to Gray or if I do I can easily get it back. If we stub our toe or something, I react to it instead of Gray because I'm the identity responsible for interpreting our sensory experiences.

When I switched out for the first time, it's like I became a "program" in the mind. Everything felt normal, but Ranger was in control instead.

When me and any of my headmates switch, i stop being aware most of the time Awareness is taken over by the given headmate, and i remember what they did after we switch back as if it were a dream

huh, interesting.

Yeah it seems to be different from the typical tulpamancy experience

I kind of want to be able to train that level of switching, because ours is a lot less noticable than that

I wonder if it's possible to train Probably

idk, I usually am not active when switched out unless the fronter calls me. When we first learned to switch, I didn't really know how to be active in the back yet, so that was a bit of a learning process too

Yuka

I think what most people are looking for with dissociative switching, is the subjective experience you would have while falling asleep, say. Where you stop feeling your body, can't see anything anymore and then lose awareness completely (or enter dream world of wonderland). At the very least they want to feel like, hazy and distant and watching the body do stuff while you can't feel it yourself. And your fronting headmate is fully experiencing life, somehow, while you're completely dazed (source, years of reading stuff on many servers and forums, and also myself) (edited)

Funnily enough this was my experience the last 7 days,minus headmate fronting

1:21 AM

It was just

1:22 AM

I was really tired, so i felt disconnected

1:24 AM

Actually, it got better yesterday, but then i slept late again so i felt like it today

Same here

Yuka ↩️

Reply to: idk, I usually am not active when switched out unless the fronter calls me. When we first learned to…

But the difference is i didn't feel like it until an hour ago, and less so

Zee

If you don't mind me asking, what does it feel like for you to switch

Lucilyn: Switching = I'm the human now!! (edited)

6:45 AM

so my host is more like my tulpa

6:45 AM

and I could go and live the entire rest of our body's life as just me if I wanted

6:46 AM

(though when we very first started switching we would get super tired after an hour or two until we switched back with our host, that got longer and longer and finally went away over I think a month or two, and ended at the same time as we could go to sleep switched and wake up still switched instead of our host always being the one to wake up)

oh i would hate to do that

Lucilyn: Then don't lol, switching is a purposely learned advanced skill (edited)

7:52 AM

It's not necessary to do or learn at all

7:52 AM

There's also possession, where the host's sense of self stays exactly as it is, but a tulpa learns to "remotely" control parts or all of the body

Ah i specifically referring to taking over my host's life. We switch semi often, its not my favorite thing but whatever.

(and then blurrier less well-defined stuff, like "co-fronting" and whatever else, but we don't know much about any of that)

We typically co front. It gets annoying when all three of us are up front though

Mel

Ah i specifically referring to taking over my host's life. We switch semi often, its not my favorite thing but whatever.

oh of course not lool, we just say that to paint the picture of what switching is like

i see i see

everything a system does should be discussed and decided on between host and tulpa(s)

7:55 AM

ie how to split fronting time, whether to create another tulpa, etc.

Oh definitely. Binx and i have discussed our switching rules in depth. and Dreamer isnt allowed to switch.

We kinda just let shit happen with our system, unless it's actively harming us. It's how I, the non-original, became our full-time host.

We’ve had our same fronting schedule for 3 years now, with a few new additions since it began

8:10 AM

It was a bit of a hassle to get it set up at first, but now it’s just normal

Kind of the opposite of us lmao.

our rules are pretty simple: whenever something happens that im uncomfy w (ie, asking a restaurant to remake my food) mel takes over. the rest of the time is just whoever is paying more attention to our surroundings. we spend 90% of our time in co front oops

I forgot our rules I should really write them down But it's something like 1. Don't jeopardize kei's reputation 2. Don't harm the body 3. Don't harm other people; apologize if you do

those r good rules

4:34 PM

dreamers rules are wildly different dont take control but if you do: do not bite people do not chase the squirrels no jumping fences random noises and growling are not socially acceptable

Oh lol I suppose dreamer is a little... socially inept

hes so incredibly inept

4:39 PM

he cannot person

My rules are mostly for momo and james because eishi is incredibly harmless Momo could totally jeopardize my reputation and hurt people if they got too mad ._. And james has literally told me he wants to harm the body so that rule is incredibly necessary

I should probably add "shut up james" as a rule (/j) because he keeps saying hurtful things to me

i vote add shut up james to that

4:44 PM

/hj

Our system rule is basically be nice to people and don't tell people we're plural outside of certain contexts. We have some emergency procedures, but they're not really rules

Most of us don't switch. Obviously, I can't switch in and act as my age regressed self in public

We don’t have a rule to be nice to people, we just kinda roll the dice that whoever fronts isn’t a dick

4:48 PM

Luckily, most people here aren’t complete jerks

I have a sense of reputation and some of our headmates were rougher around the edges a long time ago